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spinnaker pole bridles #10416
10/28/10 09:44 PM
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I have always used poles with bridles, then I read an article that stated "If you don't have to use them, don't". In the interests of minimalist, efficient rigging/layout I have removed them and re-rigged the pole so the topping and downhaul attach mid-pole. This seems more efficient however does this set up compromise the integrity of the pole? Also has this issue been resolved within the rules? Couldn't find an answer.

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Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: zeppo] #10428
10/29/10 08:06 PM
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Forte built my pole with the D rings - I assume they know what they are doing. I (I say I like I am up there on the foredeck) would not go back to a bridle because it makes the foredeck so much easier to deal with.

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Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: dbows] #10431
10/30/10 07:36 PM
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So you are attaching your topping lift and downhaul to rings situated at the mid point of the pole?

Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: zeppo] #10433
10/30/10 09:05 PM
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Portsmouth, RI
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Yes - here is a link to a Mallorca picture taken at the 2010 NAs. You can see the center attachment point on the spinnaker pole.

The picture below is the same Forte carbon pole on Rhapsody but with traditional bridals

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OT: Mainsheet boom bail [Re: zeppo] #10435
10/31/10 12:42 PM
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Off topic, but I noticed Mallorca using a mainsheet, part of which is not attached to the boom bail. This is contrary to class rules, but given Rhapsody's experience in Disaster waiting to happen is it something the class should consider allowing?

Poking around in the pictures, I'm surprised to see Fuzzy Wuzzy doesn't even have a bail. Time to have the measurer clarify this and/or enforce the rules.

Last edited by Bob Rutsch; 10/31/10 12:58 PM.
Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: dbows] #10441
11/01/10 06:11 PM
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Since there appears to be at least one person who endorses the "no bridle" concept, and that is the route I have gone what choice do I have but to field test it? My pole is aluminum, and has seen better days so I don't really mind using it in a sacrificial manner. From the photo of Mallorca showing the mid-pole attachment for topping and downhaul it appears that there is something wrapped around the pole, to which the rings are attached, the reason I ask about this is that I attached the rings to my pole using three wraps of two sided velcro, my concern here is that this wrap may slide aft under load since it is not fixed to the pole (as in riveted, glued) it is simply wrapped tightly around the pole.

Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: zeppo] #10442
11/01/10 07:19 PM
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we use velcro on the clew of the main instead of a slide because it does seem to slide a bit better than a slide ... but velcro doesn't do all that well in sunlight as we see down here in FL. New piece every year is required. With a pole left out in the sun daily ... I wouldn't use velcro.

However lashing, using a decent rope, has worked for thousands of years. I was impressed with the photo showing how Fuzzy Wuzzy uses it on the boom to attach the main sheet.

Related: remember that most booms break at the attachment for the vang, and that should tell us something about hard attachments at mid points.




Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: zeppo] #10443
11/02/10 03:06 PM
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Are you thinking velcro is enough to attach the J/30 mainsheet to the boom? Load estimated by Harken is about 900 lbs in 20 knots, 2000 lbs in 30. More likely a nylon or spectra strap.

Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: Bob Rutsch] #10447
11/02/10 06:57 PM
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not on mainsheet ... was looking at the Fuzzy Wuzzy attachment to the boom referred to in earlier post ... looks like spectra or dyneema? 4x around with two block attachment points ... and another similar lash for the clew. I'm betting its dyneema.

Bill pointed out this summer to me that the velcro strap we both use for the clew is wrapped around 3x. and that is just to keep the clew tucked a bit closer to the boom.

Re: spinnaker pole bridles [Re: Cap'n Vic] #10448
11/02/10 07:18 PM
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The strap used on Rhapsody for the main clew isn't just velcro. I think it is actually reinforced with something. It was provided by the sail maker. As Vic states, it is wrapped 3 times around through the clew grommet.

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