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Spinnaker Pole Trigger End Fittings Revisited #10425
10/29/10 04:57 PM
10/29/10 04:57 PM
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Bob Rutsch Offline OP
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Bob Rutsch  Offline OP
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Lacking a reliable source for spinnaker pole end fittings, J/30 Class Rules were revised July 1, 2004, to permit composite ends (5.11.4). The rule specifically excluded end fittings with a trigger mechanism, codifying an earlier measurer's ruling (discussed here). I would like to see the rule changed to allow trigger ends.

There is a modest cost differential. The class approved composite Forespar's Ultra Series® UXP, is $100-120 depending on size and source. The UTR trigger version is about $25-30 more. Hall makes an aluminum end fitting the QuikTrip, ($350 at Mauri Pro) with the trigger version $10 more.

The original measurement ruling was made before my time as class president in the mid 1990s. I suppose the trigger piston was disallowed because it differed from and was perceived to have a competitive advantage over the original spec pole end. However, the approved Forespar UXP has an similar advantage since its piston has an angled attachment for the trip line (sometimes known as the 'beak'). The beak allows the end to be pressed against the mast ring to snap the pole in place. Bow person can use two hands to complete a gybe while the original spec pole requires one hand free to trip the piston.

Pressing the beak onto the mast ring is quicker and the bow is unlikely to trip the other end of the pole. While I realize it is possible to rig the standard pole by fixing the trip line in the center or using separate trip lines for each end, doing so makes tripping both ends when you wish more difficult.

Why not just switch to the approved end fitting with the beak? Personal preference; we tried it on a carbon pole and decided for several reasons that we preferred the old pole. I'm replacing broken rivets and ancient wire on our 30 year old pole and realize one day I may have to replace the ends. When the time comes I'd prefer to have the option of the trigger version.

Re: Spinnaker Pole Trigger End Fittings Revisited [Re: Bob Rutsch] #10426
10/29/10 07:51 PM
10/29/10 07:51 PM
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Roger, roger ... Triggers and snap ends yes!
what astounds me is that the spring snap ends are allowed, but not the triggers. And a carbon pole that is 5 lbs lighter is allowed. Decisions appear to be made one at a time with no relationship to decisions made prior, nor logic of what would make the boat easier and safer to race. The carbon poles, for example, are ideal for lighter weight foredeck crews ... like 14-16 year olds who aren't on weight lifting programs.

The "older" crews have to search hard for ideal crew like my mastman pictured below ... unfortunately this is his last year on Vee Jay. Will be really hard to replace. [Linked Image]

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