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Re: Dacron Main
[Re: Russ Atkinson]
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03/18/11 10:47 AM
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Thanks for the input. And again, my questions were directed at trying to understand a rationale as to why a PHRF boat might consider Dacron. And too, I would agree that changing the rule could have the effect of raising the cost (in my view slightly) for someone that does nothing but OD.
On the other hand, I did invest in string sails. Most of my PHRF fleet and the few other J/30's in our area have string sails. While I'd like to think my crew has fun, we are also pretty serious about racing and as well, winning. I.E. 2010 Western Lake Erie "Boat of the Year".
For us, the cost of doing OD is far more significant than for the OD guy that will upgrade. I must buy one sail for a once a year OD national and a second sail for PHRF. I also beleive, and I think the survey results will back me up in that the majority of the J/30's race PHRF. As technology continues to move away from Dacron and as the price differential continues to drop - more and more of the J/30 PHRF boats will be going string sails. Folks such as me that are trying to keep the boat relevant and do want to also do OD are being penalized at the class level.
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Re: Dacron Main
[Re: Russ Atkinson]
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03/22/11 09:48 PM
03/22/11 09:48 PM
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Natural High is pointing us to the J-44 path. How well does that work for them??? Could it be relevent for us? Just a thought
Last edited by sailon; 03/22/11 09:48 PM.
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Re: Dacron Main
[Re: Russ Atkinson]
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03/23/11 06:39 PM
03/23/11 06:39 PM
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The local Doyle sail maker got back to me today with some verbiage to use:
The Main shall have a minimum weight of *_____*, excluding battens. The intent of the rule is that all sails submitted for measurement will be constructed using well establish sailmaking techniques. The class reserves the right to reject any sail with additional weight added to the sail that is determined to be there for the sole purpose of meeting the minimum weight.
So far my sail maker, Dieball Sails, has offered a recommendation of using 9-10kg as the minimum weight. Over the weekend, I'll pull my old sails (1 Dacron + 2 old string sails) out of the attic and weigh them and report back.
Does anyone have contact with a North Sail Loft that could offer input on the weight of a 3DL main?
I'd be happy with a rules change that allows string sails so there's no push from me on changing battens. That said, one sail maker suggested it - any thoughts on allowing 5 battens? Or, should I leave this one alone?
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Re: Dacron Main
[Re: Russ Atkinson]
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03/28/11 09:41 AM
03/28/11 09:41 AM
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OK... I weighed my two oldest sting mains. The oldest, a UK kevlar tape drive weighed in at 27lbs. The second, which is newer (I think Bob Rutsch said it was a 2004 - 7 years ago) is a UK carbon tape sail that weighed in at 25lbs or 11.3kg. I'm pretty sure my newest sail weighs more (although I didn't weigh it because it is stored at the sailmaker). My newest sail is not the most expensive that my sail maker offered at the time. As I've shared, my sailmaker said that the more expensive sail would have weighed less than my current sail. Too, he recommended a sail weight of 9-10kg (by comparison, my sail weights listed above are based on roughly 11 and 7 year old technology).
Thus, allowing for a little technological advancement in the last 7 years, I'm going to submit my rules change request with a sail weight of 10kg as follows:
The Main shall have a minimum weight of 10kg, excluding battens. The intent of the rule is that all sails submitted for measurement will be constructed using well establish sailmaking techniques. The class reserves the right to reject any sail with additional weight added to the sail that is determined to be there for the sole purpose of meeting the minimum weight.
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