Can someone help me verify the PHRF rating information on J30.org? I am working to move all pages to current, latest and most accurate status.
http://www.j30.org/html/technical/phrf.html

Chicago MORF rating for J/30 OD is now 135

PHRF MA rates the One Design 30 at 138. For comparison, S-2 9.1 rates 132.

YRA of Long Island Sound gives the J-30 a base rating of 141 then takes 3 seconds each for the spinn pole and oversize genoa to get a rating of 135. This includes a 1260 lb weight limit, no sail cloth limitations or other OD specific regulations.
Yralis.org also lists a J-30 ODR with a 1400 lb weight limit, which probably requires all class gear and sail restrictions, but I am not positive about that.

PHRF-MA follows YRA-LI as Ed described with a "PHRF" rating of 141 (for 155 & J+0 pole) then deducts -3 spm for J+1 and -3 spm for 163. As Steve wrote, PHRF-MA ALSO can issue a cert for "OD" rating of 138 (obviously for 100% OD compliant boats). As of last year, PHRF-MA reported no boats with the PHRF (141 or 135) rating. An "otherwise OD" J/30 with non-class sails (non-dacron main or .5 oz chute) would sail under the PHRF cert of 135.

The braintrust of NC-PHRF takes the J30 base of 144 and deducts a total of 12 secs/mi for OD configuration of 163% genoa, 1.1 pole, and 1.1 spin girth. So our OD PHRF rating in NC is 132.

Ed
On long island sound, would a J30 rate 141 PHRF if you race with class pole and class genoa instead of the oversized?

Or, do all J30's racing PHRF have to take the 6 second penalty and rate 135 regardless of equipment carried?

I race "J30 Class legal" all of the time even in PHRF races.

PLB

Paul, if I understand your question the issue is between the J/30 _PHRF Base Rating_ and the J/30 _One-Design Rating_. As I understand PHRF, in most places the basis for a rating is a genoa no larger than 155% LP and a spinnaker/pole no longer than the "J" dimension. Whenever a boat is raced in any other configuration, the rating is adjusted. Some PHRF regions have begun rating one-design boats in the one-design configuration -- What a concept!! Of course for the J/30, that means a 163% genoa and a "J + 1 ft" pole with matching spinnaker. It sounds like your area gives you the one-design (i.e. class legal) option.

Dyk, I'm not a PHRF expert by any means, but your post is the first time I heard of PHRF assessing a 3 second penalty for the pole and another 3 seconds for the matching spinnaker. I thought most places just assessed 3 for the genoa and another 3 for the pole/spinnaker combination.

Paul,

The 141 rating by YRALIS would be with a 153% genoa and a spin pole length = J. The OD class is a 163 and J+1, so a OD boat would have to rate 135. The difference between the two setups (I think) is the crew weight limit (1400 or 1260) and if you have to sail with OD sails and gear or not. Someone with a YRALIS J-30 ODR rating certificate would have to answer that.

YRA LIS

The YRA does not rate sail material or cushions etc. There is no such thing as a ODR except that if you sail with OD sails your rating will be 135. (Excalibur, Me; Chinook; Eagle, Paddy Wagon) However none of us sail with OD sails. We all have or should have a .75oz, .5oz spin, kevlar (most of us) 165% and a Kevlar 3, Excalibur and Chinook have Kevlar #2s as well. The base rating is 141 and we get -3 for oversize pole and chute, and -3 for 165 genoa. Until last year the cut offs were 153% and 163%, but the YRA changed it to be in line with other YRAs. We also have a PHRF weight limit of 1260. I will fax you a certificate if you sent a fax number. BTW Great job on the web site. Charlie Hurd

Wow, is this confusing! Clearly, most PHRF districts have different interpretations of the ramifications of sail size, pole size, and sail material on rating. A few quick questions:

1. What is the rating for a one design equipped boat in the Chesapeake Bay (ditto other regions)?

2. What is the base PHRF rating for the same boat (i.e. 155, J length pole etc.)?

3. What is the rating for an unrestricted S-2 9.1 (to my mind, the closest performing PHRF boat raced in many regions)?

4. How about the J-29 Masthead Outboard rating?

5. Same questions for any other rating territories?

6. Does anybody adhere to (or try to adhere to) the YRALIS 1260 pound weight limit? I have trouble imagining a J-30 in 20 knots of wind racing with that weight.

7. Do all boats racing with a ODR setup strictly adhere to all OD rules (i.e. anchor, stove, cushions, bin covers, headstay length, sail purchse limitations, sail weights...). OK, no one will honestly respond to this one I think!

And to follow up on my own thoughts...

Why would anybody in YRALIS opt for a ODR number? Seth and Joe have opened my eyes (and restricted my inventory as a result) to the concept of a slight advantage in rating by adherng to class limitations.

Seems that a changing (and regionally different) PHRF rule will simultaneously force me to cede ground to my PHRF competitors and toss a very good sail in the garbage. Anyone want a lightly used 1/2 oz. chute?

The Chesapeake Bay had a nine second PHRF-base/ODR difference 18 years ago (3 sec 163% genoa, 3 sec oversized pole, and 3 sec larger spinnaker). I based my sail purchase on that difference in 1986 because there were few J/30s racing in Hampton, VA. I was on the PHRF handicappers board ~1989-1992. The total difference dropped to six seconds. Three J/30s were actively racing PHRF-base at that time. In 1998 I returned from three years in Charleston to find that the PHRF-base/ODR difference was zero! Throughout this time period J/30 Class rules have been relaxed, allowing higher tech sails (note feedback poll on the J/30 web site). Something is amiss in the Chesapeake Bay. Several ODR boats have entered the Hampton arena. On the water experience shows that a nine second difference is about right.

Sounds like PHRF-MA is unique in allowing +3 benefit for a ODR, i.e., 138, versus the more common 141-3-3 ala carte PHRF rating. I don't know what inspired the ODR versus standard rating, but it creates the technicality that any non-OD change, even if not normally a penalized change (like sail material, chute weight), prohibitss the boat from carrying the ODR - instant cut to 135. The loophole at the margin is what the class defines as OD, not what PHRF penalizes. I would sail 135 with non OD sails, except I can't afford the double inventory and would like to sail a few OD events per year. Would also like to know along with Steve the rating of S2-9.1s in other districts.

Yes, always in intersting question... J30 v S29.1

Lake Mich J/30 OD = 138, 9.1=132

The Chicago fleet I race in has it's own PHRF ratings

MORF J/30 OD = 135, 9.1=132

These are for the standard rig 9.1, not the shorter masts, which are 135.

For what it's worth, I am buying new sails for the J/30 I bought last August. Exchanged emails with PHRF NE Measurer. I am going with 163% overlap and J measurement pole. Rating is supposed to be 138 in that config. ie; 144 base less 6 for 163% overlap. In ODR config it would be 135. 144 less 6 for overlap and less 3 for pole penalty.