dbows
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Registered: 04/16/03
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Loc: Marblehead, MA
I think a much better solution is to put an eye strap at the base of the mast and then use a 2:1 purchase with a becket for the downhaul. This keeps you from having to ease/tighten the foreguy when you are adjusting the guy since the pivot point moves to the base of the mast not the deck. One less thing to do when going fast down wind.
To do this you need to get rid of the bridle and lash D rings to the center of the pole. Most carbon poles come this way.
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#12635 - 11/10/1104:47 PMRe: Pole Downhaul Padeye foredeck
[Re: Bob Rude]
Bob Rutsch
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Loc: Maryland, USA
Not really. The the foreguy at the base of the mast works as described by dbows regardless of whether you have a bridle or a center D ring on your spin pole. In either case the angle is not as effective at preventing the outboard end of the pole from rising so you might want to apply more tension with a purchase.
Seems to me the extra block at the base of the mast for the topping lift is one more piece of gear for the jib sheets to catch on during a tack (as is the block for the foreguy). Couldn't you just use the usual cam cleat near the topper exit and grasp the tail aft of the existing turning block if you prefer to pull up instead of down?
#12644 - 11/14/1108:41 PMRe: Pole Downhaul Padeye foredeck
[Re: dbows]
NaturalHigh
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Registered: 10/12/09
Posts: 255
Loc: Squamish, British Columbia
Originally Posted By: dbows
I think a much better solution is to put an eye strap at the base of the mast and then use a 2:1 purchase with a becket for the downhaul. This keeps you from having to ease/tighten the foreguy when you are adjusting the guy since the pivot point moves to the base of the mast not the deck. One less thing to do when going fast down wind.
To do this you need to get rid of the bridle and lash D rings to the center of the pole. Most carbon poles come this way.
This is the system we use on the Laser 28 I race on and have been considering a switch on Natural High. It does work with a bridle though.
Cap'n Vic
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Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 914
Loc: Newport and Naples
My three objections to running downhaul to base of mast: 1. it conflicts with the open hatch when launching/dousing spin via hatch. 2. it doesn't anchor pole forward in boat motion ... crew prefers knowing that pole isn't going to swing randomly during sets and douses. 3. it makes it a bit more difficult to get around the front of the mast when the poles is up.
remembering that the Gulf is not sheltered ... we like to do things for maximum conditions, not minimum conditions.
#12664 - 11/20/1109:17 PMSpinnaker Pole topping lift program
[Re: Cap'n Vic]
Cap'n Vic
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Registered: 05/27/07
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Loc: Newport and Naples
so OK to follow up on the Vee Jay pole lift program quoted below for reference: This weekend at the Marco Isl YC Fall Regatta ... wind ranging from 5-25, with 20 degree shifts ... but out of east so pretty flat ... 13 spin sets over two days. Don't ask how we did ... other to say great practice weekend with the teen trimmer crew showing solid improvement ... even if my starboard genny sheet is a bit shorter.
However, Granddad Randy our foredeck steady, was quite impressed with the use of the block at the base of the mast and the program for pole lift. It is simple to understand and easy to implement. took him less than a minute to adopt.
It also looks like we have acquired for the winter program -- Brian, skipper of Hornet, J30 #22, who will be a great asset as our tactician.
End of Report.
Originally Posted By: Cap'n Vic
So Ok ... We continue to get fewer and fewer "educated" spin people so "the program" has to be really tightened up.
When you are dealing with early teens and senior citizens ... you have to simplify on top of simplify. One of the rules we have is same thing same way everytime. we don't do a lot of upscale variations. And everyone is supposed to do things the same way. Then all the other crew has a hint as to what each other is doing. If something doesn't work ... we try to figure out how to make it simplier.
This month after seeing how my foredecker forgot some stuff over the summer, and my 13 year old crew kid was struggling to raise the pole by himself as we were short crew.
we are trying this program:
1. The pole is always first attached to mast before raising, and always dropped to the deck before detaching from mast. there is an arrow on the mast as to where the pole is supposed to be.
2. added block to base of mast ... just lashed on. this way someone raising pole has the topping lift in left hand and can push the pole up with right hand ... which allows a safer footing on the deck. instead of pulling down they are pulling up ... which is a more stable position with boat motion.
3. the downhaul is premarked ... so there will be no need to figure out how high to raise the pole ... you just raise it till it stops. I hate it when they ask is the pole high enough.
Will see how this works out during November. Our goal is the 8 second pole rise ... everytime. Don't laugh ... you have to have a goal.
#12667 - 11/21/1104:37 PMRe: Spinnaker Pole topping lift program
[Re: Bob Rude]
sailon
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Registered: 02/12/11
Posts: 56
Loc: Melbourne, FL
Interesting. I had my pole lift on the mast on my j24. I liked it, as it was a more natural motion. The only difference is I prefer to have someone lift the pole before it is attached to the mast. It is much easier.
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