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Standard & Optional Equipment Interpretation Discussions #12711
12/10/11 08:46 AM
12/10/11 08:46 AM
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Portsmouth, RI
Rhapsody #348 Online content OP
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Rhapsody #348  Online Content OP
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Portsmouth, RI
This thread was created to help keep other threads focused on a specific question. Other comments were made that appeared to be off topic. I will cut and paste the relevant comments from that thread here so they may be discussed as desired.

The 2009 edition of the class rules state:

5.3 Interior Equipment supplied with the standard boat from the factory may not be deleted or substituted for except by equivalent items of comparable weight or as specifically authorized below. Optional equipment offered by the builder or comparable equipment installed by the dealer or owner is permitted as are other items such as shelves or drawers to personalize the interior.
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Standard interior equipment includes (but is not limited to) the following:
  • cushions for all berths and settees (V-berth and quarter-berth cushions may be removed for racing)
  • stove (In lieu of the original stove a replacement single or double burner stove is allowed that fits where the original stove is located. Adjustments to mounting may be made to accommodate dimension variations, as long as the original intended location is maintained. The replacement stove may use alcohol or gas (butane, propane, etc.). The replacement stove and associated cover / cutting board with fuel shall weigh 18 pounds minimum with weights permitted to augment as required.)
  • bulkhead door
  • water tank
  • holding tank
  • folding tables except main cabin table
  • storage bin covers
Optional interior equipment includes the following:
  • plastic tubs in storage compartments
  • teak and holly sole
  • main cabin table
  • hot water tank
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Originally Posted by Russ Atkinson
While we're at it, can we discuss the stove...
Mine came with the boat, never been off - how do I weigh it? Does it have to weigh 12 lbs with or without alcohol in the canisters? smile

Originally Posted by Russ Atkinson
I have wooden battens in my hull? Exactly where are those things and how do I get them out?

I was thinking about changing back to the 3/4" prop shaft too?

And I still haven't figured out how to weigh the stove

Originally Posted by Bob Rutsch
What I refer to is the wood strips attached to the hull in the bow above the V-berth as battens. Probably only need a screw driver and a pry bar.

Originally Posted by D. Bartley
Also found in the main cabin, between the cabinets, and above the V berths as well (at least on hull #205). They are light pine. Took some of mine out in order to replace them.


Stove Weight for Russ [Re: Rhapsody #348] #12712
12/10/11 08:50 AM
12/10/11 08:50 AM
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Portsmouth, RI
Rhapsody #348 Online content OP
Past J/30 Class President
Rhapsody #348  Online Content OP
Past J/30 Class President
Joined: May 2007
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Portsmouth, RI
Originally Posted by Russ Atkinson
Thanks Charlie.
.....

While we're at it, can we discuss the stove...
Mine came with the boat, never been off - how do I weigh it? Does it have to weigh 12 lbs with or without alcohol in the canisters? smile

Se Ya'll in N'Orleans

Re stove weight - I remember that this was thoroughly discussed on the forum and BOG meeting where the vote was taken in 2008. Does the class rule listed under paragraph 5.3 answer your question on the stove weight?

stove (In lieu of the original stove a replacement single or double burner stove is allowed that fits where the original stove is located. Adjustments to mounting may be made to accommodate dimension variations, as long as the original intended location is maintained. The replacement stove may use alcohol or gas (butane, propane, etc.). The replacement stove and associated cover / cutting board with fuel shall weigh 18 pounds minimum with weights permitted to augment as required.)

On Rhapsody I have a fully functional single burner butane cartridge stove that is gimbled and has a weight on the bottom of the stove to keep the gimble level. The combo with stove, fuel cartridge, iron weight, cutting board and cooktop weighs 20 pounds.

Prop Shaft Diameter [Re: Rhapsody #348] #12713
12/10/11 09:05 AM
12/10/11 09:05 AM
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Rhapsody #348 Online content OP
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Rhapsody #348  Online Content OP
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Portsmouth, RI
Originally Posted by Russ Atkinson
....
I was thinking about changing back to the 3/4" prop shaft too?


The class rules in the J/30 Basic Specifications section actually shows a 3/4" shaft.

Propeller: Standard propeller is folding two-bladed Martec Design Number 23780 - Right Hand, 14 inch diameter, 14 pitch elliptical for 3/4 inch shaft.

Many boats were delivered with a 1" shaft because some new owners complained of shaft vibration, and extra margin needed for added horsepower with a 2GM20. Realize the expense includes replacing the prop, strut, shaft, coupling and cutlass bearing if a change is made.

Some history discussions for this are on this thread

Re: Prop Shaft Diameter [Re: Rhapsody #348] #12714
12/10/11 11:56 AM
12/10/11 11:56 AM
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Posts: 155
Annapolis, MD US
LChristy Offline
J/30 Class Measurer
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Annapolis, MD US
During the recent sale of my boat the surveyor commented that the 14X14 prop that is class legal is the wrong prop for the boat. This has been confirmed by Bengt Johannson in discussions with Martec. With the current prop it is difficult to get the engine to 80% of max as encouraged by Yanmar. I believe this leads to carbon buildup in the cylinders. If the rings contract during the cold winter temps the carbon prevents them from returning to the cylinder walls. This can lead to cylinder damage. Happened to be about 10 years ago and had to have the engine rebuilt.

The J30 Class needs to look into this and see if a prop change is in order. Would help extend the life of your old engines.

Larry Christy
DA KINE (Sabreline 42)

Re: Prop Shaft Diameter [Re: LChristy] #12715
12/10/11 12:17 PM
12/10/11 12:17 PM
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Portsmouth, RI
Rhapsody #348 Online content OP
Past J/30 Class President
Rhapsody #348  Online Content OP
Past J/30 Class President
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Posts: 2,668
Portsmouth, RI
Larry - please email me contact info for the new owner so we can update the class database.

Thanks,

Re: Prop Shaft Diameter [Re: Rhapsody #348] #12727
12/13/11 04:46 PM
12/13/11 04:46 PM
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Posts: 393
Rockwood, MI, USA
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Rockwood, MI, USA
Bill - Thanks for all the data. That said, I owe an apology. In my attempt at comic releif I've created a whole lot of work and distraction.
I have no intention to take out battens, change my prop shaft or to change or do anything with my factory installed stove.

As is, I race with the plastic dry storage bins, a teak and holly sole. all the cushions and a cooler full of Sam Adams - in bottles. When my crew complained about not having the halyard's stripped of their covers because of the weight saving, we took one beer out of the cooler and set it on the dock as an offset.
If we have a weight issue for a one design event, we'll be sailing the boat as built but we'll starve the crew rather than sacrifice any more beer.

Re: Standard & Optional Equipment Interpretation Discussions [Re: Rhapsody #348] #13245
03/15/12 01:20 PM
03/15/12 01:20 PM
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Maryland, USA
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As noted in the deck refurbishment thread the measurer indicates a plan to eliminate the cowl vent deck fitting at the bow. There is no exception under Class Rule 1.3 and 1.4 to allow this and 4.4 does not allow the measurer to make such a ruling when there is a vested interest. If there remains a desire to eliminate the fitting, the measurer should appeal to the BOG for a ruling.

Re: Standard & Optional Equipment Interpretation Discussions [Re: Rhapsody #348] #13253
03/16/12 12:49 AM
03/16/12 12:49 AM
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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THIS MEETING HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED UNTIL TUESDAY 3/20/2012 @ 8:00 PM ET 7:00 PM CT

Charlie, CONGRATS the deck looks very nice. I know you are proud. Regarding the class rules, I would like to do a short conference call to talk about this issue over the phone like we used to do before posting boards and forums. Here are the details for anyone who wants to participate (Bob and Charlie are required)
1. Please join my meeting, Tuesday, March 20, 2012 at 7:00 PM Central Daylight Time.

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Dial +1 (773) 897-3008
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Last edited by David Erwin; 03/19/12 08:28 PM.
Re: Standard & Optional Equipment Interpretation Discussions [Re: Rhapsody #348] #13255
03/16/12 10:56 AM
03/16/12 10:56 AM
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grand rapids, mi
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grand rapids, mi
David may I inquire about the topic of discussion please?


Dell Todd
#311 Temptation
Holland MI
Re: Standard & Optional Equipment Interpretation Discussions [Re: 311 Temptation] #13280
03/19/12 08:41 PM
03/19/12 08:41 PM
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New Orleans, LA, USA
David Erwin Offline
J30.us
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New Orleans, LA, USA
Dell, this is an informal meeting about a minor one design compliance issue - covering an external cowl vent fitting on a refurbished deck. Attendance is optional, but all input is welcome. Should be a very short meeting.

Advantages: Eliminates water penetration risks.
Disadvantage: perceptions/realistic loss of OD configuration.

We are talking about a $40 part to install. Are we too agressive with these types of things? Is this type of change the same as removing the meat hooks etc. Perhaps a BOG vote will decide, but we wanted to query opinion and discuss in an open audio conference.

Dave@j30.us

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