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Re: Mast Step Postion measuring
[Re: Tom Olsen]
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01/16/12 06:01 PM
01/16/12 06:01 PM
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WOW. I have been reading the comments on rig tension and I am absolutely amazed. I am sailing with 1300 on the uppers and 1100 on the lowers as my base setting, and the boat is FAST. The J-30 has the identical problems that the J-24 has. It is underpowered, with an undersized keel. The goal for upwind performance has is to power up the rig for light to moderate air by inducing a large amount of head stay sag. You know that the shroud settings are correct when the leeward shrouds are just kissing slackness. At my settings, my leewards rarely slacken, even in 20+ knots. So what to do if the main looks funny? That is controlled by the ratio between the lower and upper shrouds. If you have a large amount of curve in the main luff, you will want a more prebend in the mast, therefore the difference between the upper tensions and the lowers will be greater. If the main has less luff curve, the ratio will be closer, pulling the spar straight. The position of the mast butt is set to provide the static mast bend that the sailmaker recommends, such that application of backstay and main sheet tension do not invert the mainsail.
If you have sailed a fractional rigged boat with running back stays such as a Star boat, you can see the relationship between our shrouds on the J-30 to runners on a Star. The lowers do the same function as the check stays, ie. straighten up the mast and add headstay tension by countering the tension applied by the upper shrouds. This enables the balance between draft depth in the head sail established by headstay sag, vs. flattness of the mainsail. Sailing side by side with a tuning partner and changing rig settings is a good way to establish base shroud settings.
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Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
[Re: Tom Olsen]
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01/23/12 02:46 PM
01/23/12 02:46 PM
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Not quite. Headstay sag will result in increased draft in the sail. This helps provide the power that the boat needs. A saggy headstay actually pulls the mast forward. Think about the geometry. If I add sag to a line, the points at the end must come closer together, resulting in the top of the mast coming forward. Pointing ability results from the angle that the leading edge of the sail makes to the apparent wind. If the halyard tension is loose, the draft is further back, resulting in a higher pointing angle in light air. This is why many of the top J-24's have ugly scallops along the leading edge. As the breeze comes up and the sail stretches a bit, we tighten the luff of the sail via halyard tension. We also tighten the shrouds, tightening the headstay, and flattening the sail since the headstay sag is less. BTW, the large amount of sag I was referring to in my earlier post is approximately 6 inches in the 24, and I am approximating between 8 to 10 is about right in the 30.
Light air - Deep Draft in Genoa, max headstay sag, loose genoa halyard tension Medium air - Less draft in Genoa via tighter headstay and less headstay sag, start to tighten halyard. Don't forget that headstay tension also is a result of main sheet tension. As the breeze comes up and you tighten the main leech, you are also tightening the headstay. Heavy air, tighten shrouds if not done already, tighter headstay, tighter halyard tension.
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Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
[Re: sailon]
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01/23/12 05:20 PM
01/23/12 05:20 PM
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A saggy headstay actually pulls the mast forward. Think about the geometry. If I add sag to a line, the points at the end must come closer together, resulting in the top of the mast coming forward. I understand the geometry but disagree with the conclusion. Are you assuming the headstay is a straight line and pressure from the Genoa causes the headstay to sag and pull the mast forward? At max headstay length the sag is built in. Grab the upper shroud at 1300 lbs and pull. Pretty tight. Now try the same thing with the loose and wobbly headstay. You can add quite a few turns before it will be tight.
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