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Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) #16403
07/27/15 11:14 AM
07/27/15 11:14 AM
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Hi everyone: Thanks to the generosity of a very good friend, I have the good fortune to race on a J/30 in Penobscot Bay near Northport, Maine. I have the even better fortune of being able to drive. I'm looking for advice on the best place to sit or stand so I can see the Tell-Tales on the jib. I think I have a tendency to sail too high and pinch.

Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16404
07/27/15 11:56 AM
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I have an "old" cockpit. I find that the best place for me to sit is on the windward side, aft of the primary winch, outboard, with my back near the lifelines, with tiller extension in hand. I can see the tell-tales well, and if everybody on the rail is sitting out, the water up ahead.

If I have a main trimmer, she'll sit in front of me.

To tack, I often stand up and step over the tiller.


Dennis Bartley
Planxty, s/n 23994
hull 205
Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16405
07/27/15 05:57 PM
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Here's a reasonable decent pic from the Photos album that illustrates what I mean:

http://www.j30.us/gallery/index.php?action=show&show=2004NAPhotos%2FB~047JPEG.jpg

I believe that's Charlie Stoddard driving Falcon in the '04 NAs.


Dennis Bartley
Planxty, s/n 23994
hull 205
Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16406
07/28/15 10:34 AM
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Maryland, USA
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On the 'new' cockpit, sit outboard of the coaming. On all styles, wood foot braces at the edge of the cockpit seats are a help. If you trim your own main it helps to have one foot on either side of the traveler. To tack, push to tiller to leeward with extension, grab the wood handle while dropping into the cockpit, lift and pass behind the back, then slide out and switch to the extension on the new side. Have seen a few folks turn and face aft momentarily while switching sides.

Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16407
07/28/15 12:43 PM
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Apparently, Bob and I tack differently... he's surely fast


Dennis Bartley
Planxty, s/n 23994
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Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16465
09/09/15 03:06 PM
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I do the same... windward side with a main trimmer/tactics in front of me.

Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16469
09/11/15 08:37 PM
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Interesting... I tend to drive from the low side so that I can see the entire headsail and have the headsail trimmer down there with me. I leave the tactics and lookout to everyone else who are on the high side. But I'm not known as a fast boat so that might not be the best idea.


Dominique Labrosse
Red Five, #92
Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16476
09/16/15 11:47 AM
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I use the same position/technique as described by Bob R. I also will shift forward in very light conditions so that I am fully forward of the traveler (with no one sitting behind me). I find the boat moves better in light condition with all the weight out of the back of the boat.


Steve Buzbee
Blue Meanie J/30 #485
Re: Windward sailing - best place for helms(person) [Re: LindsayHuntoon] #16530
10/26/15 01:30 AM
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For me it pretty much depends on the wind and tactical situation. When wind's low enough, I'm the first to go low (assuming there's nothing pressing upwind of me) and I'll drive from the low side on a start if I can be sure I've nailed the bargeline and there's nobody above me. Once we need to flatten the boat, I'm on the high side just aft of the traveller. Tacking depends on the situation...I sometimes use a glimpse aft for a review of what's behind me, but most of the time I step over the tiller, seat-to-seat, facing forward. No matter how ya di it, they're a great bot to drive!


Doug Marshall
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