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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4138
09/25/06 06:29 PM
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When was the #2 dropped? As far as I know, you're no longer required to carry it, but that doesn't prevent you from having one. And now it can be kevlar.

The problem with 2s was nobody had a good one, so you'd never really use it. I have a dacron 2, and use it perhaps 2 or 3 times/year on Loch Mich. I suppose it'd be pretty rare on C'Bay or LIS.


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Planxty, s/n 23994
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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4139
09/25/06 08:18 PM
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Yeah, I know you can have one, and we were all reminded why they sometimes make sense. Anyone with a clean crisp #2 would have been very happy on Friday. (Well, except for the Zephyr guys, but, hey, they probably could have flown a 175% jib upwind)

- David

Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4140
09/26/06 09:03 AM
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With the #3 I have always cross sheeted from the block accross the cabin top to the opposite cabin top winch. Works great.

Denis are you talking about cross sheeting the #1 ? I do not know if I would trust my cabin top winches to carry the load with the #1. Is there an alternate arrangement that lets you continue to use the primary winches?

David
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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4141
09/26/06 10:11 AM
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There was at least one fresh Kevlar #2 up Friday on Pale Rider. Thought I also saw one on Fat City, but could be wrong.

Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4142
09/26/06 11:05 AM
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I think what Zephyr did on their own boat was place a pad-eye just behind the jib track, put a turning block on that, then over to the secondary on the opposite side. Perhaps the D ring on primary is used on loaners when there are already the class limit of pad-eyes installed?


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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4143
09/26/06 06:27 PM
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I should have said Genoa track, not jib... between the track and the primary winch.


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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4144
09/26/06 08:22 PM
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We were docked next to team Zephyr,(that's the closest we got) so we had a good look at the boat.
They had a block tied with a regular sail-tie on the primary winches and were using the secondary winches to trim the genoa.

Bob, I wish it was fresh kevlar, but it was a cruising dacron #3.

Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4145
09/27/06 09:25 PM
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Has anyone ever tried the Lopez blocks like on the J24 for cross-sheeting? I bet you could put them on the very end of the Genoa track nearest the primary winch.

For those who do not know they are a stand up block with a cam cleat that is angled so that the cam trips when the line is sheeted by a winch. So you sheet in by hand and the cam hold until you start trimming with the winch on the windard side.

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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4146
09/28/06 11:49 AM
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One problem that Zephyr had when the turning block was placed farther forward was when you led the sheet from the port side up to the starboard secondary the line would chafe badly on the coach roof. The problem doesn't occur with the starboard sheet because the line is led to the outboard side of the drum (hope that makes sense?).

I suppose one solution would be to reverse the gearing on the starboard secondary so you'd wrap the line counter-clockwise. Z's initial fix was to move the starboard secondary winch aft onto a pedestal (for lack of a better word). The class decided that moving winches about was an illegal modification.


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Planxty, s/n 23994
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Re: What Sails are Fast & Last Long? #4147
09/28/06 06:42 PM
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Dennis, that class ruling was in 1992-1994 time frame I think. We attempted to cover the chafing with a peice of metal. In 2001, the class also ruled against the metal as well. So we simply allowed the chafing.

There are probably several ways to accomplish the same goal. On loaner boats, Zephyr uses a low tech method of tying a block to the primarys with a North Sails sail tie.

The complete goal here is to sail the boat flat when the wind is on. This is harder to accomplish if the #1 is trimmed from the low side.

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