David, If my spin rating with a 148% is 141 (beleive me I wish I had a 163,..just purchashed the j30)what would my white sail rating be? Also 6 seconds less? 159 or 160ish?

Hi David
I measured my spin pole, as I saw in the thread that it had a relevance, so the ratings for my J30 would be based on a 148% genoa / 12ft 6in spinpole
what would my fullsail and white sail rating be?
Thanks
(any 163% sails for sale after the nationals?)

Taras
Hull #532 BreakAway

Taras -

PHRF-NE Base J/30 handicap is 144.

144 - 3 (J+1 pole) = 141
White sail: 141 + 9 (large fractional) = 150

My Handicap:

144 - 3 (J+1 pole) - 6 (163% Genoa) = 135
White sail: 135 + 9 = 144

David
3397

[This message has been edited by dbows (edited 09-23-2008).]

Thanks David

I wonder if we are talking the same things. Here in SWFL we get for Buoy 141 and RLC 138 (RLC random leg course)

thats with a 155
I get 6 for a roller furling ... which is supposed to make up for the fact that it isn't a deck sweeper I guess.
I get 3 for a UV cover
so that gets me up to Buoy 150 RLC 147

And non spinnaker they kick in another 21
and those are Buoy 171, RLC 168

BUT YOU HAVE TO MAX out the size of the genny ... 155 is 0 ... 163 -3
145 adds 3 ... a 148 will get counted as a 155 ...

I have found a 145 a bad combination for PHRF... rather go with a first reef main and the 155 as the wind goes up. I had North build my first reef at 15% instead of 20 ... if I remember right just to help on that.

v

The Narragansett Bay J/30 fleet asked PHRF-NB to look at the J/30 OD rating and successfully had it changed. Last year PHRF-NB changed the base head sail rating from 150% to 155% to be more consistent with other PHRF rating bodies. When they adjusted the ratings last year for this new baseline, the J/30s lost one second to all the boats with similar ratings, but there were no changes to those boats. Here is the result of the 2009 rating evaluation.

PHRF Spinnaker 138 (was 137 in 2008 and before)
PHRF Non-Spinnaker 155 (was 154 in 2008 and before)

With this adjustment, J/30s are now the same relative to other boats.

I also get a rating for just the #3 for when I enter doublehanded races. That PHRF rating is 150 spinnaker and 173 non-spinnaker (no change from before).

I'm collecting data to update the J/30 Class website with 2009 PHRF Rating data to replace the old J/30 PHRF page.

For those that have a valid J/30 One Design PHRF certificate, please reply here and include a response in the following format:
Rating Body, PHRF Spin, PHRF Non-Spin, J/30 Genoa Size %, Base Headsail Rating % - the Base Headsail Rating is the standard headsail size the rating authority uses (even though J/30 OD is 163%)

Examples:
PHRF-NB, 138, 155, 163%, 155%
PHRF-NE, 135, 144, 163%, 155%
Lake Michigan PHRF, 138, 144, 163%, 155%
ECSA PHRF 135, 155, 163%, 155%

For those racing PHRF in a configuration other than One Design, please provide comments with your rating (e.g. roller furling, 155% headsail, etc.

http://www.WestFloridaPHRF.org

PHRF Spin Base Buoy 141, RLC 138 155%
(163 would be -3)

Roller Headstay with cover +9
Vee Jay adjusted Buoy 150, RLC 147

PHRF Non Spn Buoy 171, RLC 168
(they have a magic and mystical way of applying non spin "offsets" in this case they add 21 ... but these offsets appear to follow a somewhat arbitrary formula.)

PHRF NE Base 144
PHRF NE OD 135

LP Adj -6 (>155%)
Spin Adj -3 (J+1)

Lake Michigian PHRF

138 OD 163%
144 155%
147 155% with roller furling credit

John
Madcap #358