#465 - 12/01/0804:53 PMSpinnaker & Head Sail Changes
Rhapsody #348
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Loc: Portsmouth, RI
It appears in the "old days" you were allowed to keep up the head sail when the spinnaker was flying. I'm trying to determine when that was changed, and if this is the correct reference from the RRS that precludes it?
50 SETTING AND SHEETING SAILS 50.1 Changing Sails When headsails or spinnakers are being changed, a replacing sail may be fully set and trimmed before the replaced sail is lowered. However, only one mainsail and, except when changing, only one spinnaker shall be carried set at a time.
#466 - 12/01/0806:10 PMRe: Spinnaker & Head Sail Changes
Rambunctious
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Registered: 01/13/09
Posts: 133
Loc: New Orleans, LA
I don't read that as a precluding having a headsail and the spinnaker hoisted at the same time. Rather, it's saying that you can't have two spinnakers up, unless you're doing a peel. No blooper-type arrangements...right?
#6807 - 01/16/0901:34 PMRe: Spinnaker & Head Sail Changes
[Re: Bob Rutsch]
Rhapsody #348
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Registered: 05/21/07
Posts: 1874
Loc: Portsmouth, RI
So, is it legal to have up a Genoa & a spinnaker at the same time? I thought it wasn't allowed except during sail changes but, I'll be darned if I can find the rule to reference.
D. Bartley
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Registered: 04/28/07
Posts: 427
Loc: Chicago, Il. USA
As far as I know, there's nothing to prevent you from having both a headsail and spin up... not just while changing sails.
Another one... I don't believe there's anything to prevent you from flying two headsails at the same time. If you're racing jib & main going down wind, you can have a headsail on both port and starboard side. However... you're allowed to have only one pole (spinnaker/whisker) RRS 50.2
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#6819 - 01/20/0912:05 PMRe: Spinnaker & Head Sail Changes
[Re: D. Bartley]
Bob Rutsch
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Registered: 04/03/00
Posts: 527
Loc: Maryland, USA
Genoa tends to cover up the chute so it doesn't work very well. Small jib can work up to the point where you have to gybe; then it's easier to get rid of it. Chesapeake Bay PHRF Non-spin has some events that specifically restrict to one-headsail. Some in that fleet who routinely fly two.
#6820 - 01/20/0905:32 PMRe: Spinnaker & Head Sail Changes
[Re: Bob Rutsch]
Russ Atkinson
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Registered: 09/19/00
Posts: 252
Loc: Rockwood, MI, USA
I'm curious as to when folks find advantage in using a head sail with the spinnaker on a J/30. I've used that combo in heavy air in an attempt to divert air from the spinnaker in order to de-power it, not sure it helped or hindered.
D. Bartley
Governor at Large
Registered: 04/28/07
Posts: 427
Loc: Chicago, Il. USA
Staysails used to be pretty common in IOR days. A Maybe about the size of a #3, tacked behind the headstay. I haven't seen one in a while. I'd wager they're not legal in J/30 Class racing.
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#6836 - 01/25/0908:28 PMRe: Spinnaker & Head Sail Changes
[Re: D. Bartley]
Cap'n Vic
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Registered: 05/27/07
Posts: 914
Loc: Newport and Naples
On Vee Jay today did spin and partially rolled out furling 155 ... only seems to be of any advantage on close to a beam reach ... but that was on a decently flat Gulf in light air ... with the jib sort of providing a "slot" behind the spin. Just don't see how this could work with a full size jib deck sweeper ... nevermind with the wind much behind beam.
We do beam reach spin a lot on the gulf coast as the wind seems to like to run out of the east ... or west on shore
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