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#491 - 03/07/06 08:56 PM Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Tom Olsen Offline
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Can anyone tell me how to properly rig the mast for racing (rig tension, rake, etc.)? We bought the boat used with a mix of sails and we don't have a sailmaker that is familiar with the J-30.
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#492 - 03/08/06 10:47 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
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Originally posted by Tom Olsen:
Can anyone tell me how to properly rig the mast for racing (rig tension, rake, etc.)? We bought the boat used with a mix of sails and we don't have a sailmaker that is familiar with the J-30.


I would follow the Banks Tuning guid.
http://www.j30.org/html/technical/tuning_guide.html

Be prepared for a ton of pressure on the shrouds. They are like a piano but it works. If you sail in light air maybe back them off a bit.

I also have the UK tuning guid off the jboat site before it became unavailable.

I can email that to you.

David,
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#493 - 03/08/06 11:43 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
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Pay attention to all components of the tuning guide. I sailed with my mast butt 3/4" too far aft for a couple of years, and I could never get the rig to set up right (way too much prebend).

Mast butt max forward, headstay class max, THEN start setting tension according to the guides.

I have North sails, and generally err on the light side of tuning ranges. We go pretty floppy in light stuff-seems to be fast.
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#494 - 03/08/06 03:30 PM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
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Steve, you'll be amused to know that too little pre-bend is just as fatal to decent tune.

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#495 - 03/09/06 11:37 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Bob Rutsch Offline
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In my opinion unless it blows where you are 44-46 is too tight. We only go that high in 20+. Base tune on our boat is 40-42 for 8-10 knots. I always tighten lowers first uppers next and loosen upper first lowers next to minimize excess pre-bend. John White sailed his J/30 with much looser shrouds and a headstay tighter than max. Tune varies by mainsail shape which depends on make and age.

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#496 - 08/14/06 01:45 PM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Blue J 503 Offline
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Quote:
Originally posted by S. Buzbee:

Mast butt max forward, headstay class max, THEN start setting tension according to the guides.



I'm confused about "headstay class max". When I installed roller furling with a new headstay, I carefully measured and pre-set the headstay to the max. spec. This resulted in a lot of mast bend, a very loose backstay, and a lot of headstay sag in a breeze. I've now shortened the headstay an inch or so and still have lots of mast bend. How much tension is assumed when doing the class measurement for headstay length?

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#497 - 05/04/07 11:44 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
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Registered: 03/15/06
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A follow-up question about Loos gauges. CAN-106 came to me with two: Model "PT-2" and "Model B". When the tuning guides refer to "the new style Loos gauge"....which is it?

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#498 - 05/05/07 12:33 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
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You can convert Loos Gauge measurements from the various types using the chart on the Loos web site. See this link, then scroll down near the bottom: http://www.loosnaples.com/howto/ptgauges.htm
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#499 - 05/05/07 10:33 AM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
dbows Offline
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PT-2 is the best. It just hangs on the shroud while you adjust.

You can follow the pounds of pressure vs the number. That is how to convert.

David
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#500 - 05/08/07 10:57 PM Re: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
CAN106 Offline
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According to the Banks guide, the uppers are 44-45 and the lowers are 45-46. I'm prepared for a "ton" of pressure but did you really mean 2000lbs?

On the Loos model "PT-2", the gauge maxes-out at 40 (2000lbs) and the model "B" maxes-out at 43 (1800lbs) for 1/4" shrouds.

The Loos guide suggests that the breaking strength of 1/4" stainless is 8200 lbs and that a starting tension for the forestay on a fractional rig is 15% of breaking strength or 1230lbs. The starting tension of the shrouds on a fractional rig with swept-back spreaders is 20% or 1640lbs.

Can someone comment on shroud tension in lbs instead of loose Loos #'s?
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