Registered: 01/18/06
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Loc: wichita, ks, usa
Can anyone tell me how to properly rig the mast for racing (rig tension, rake, etc.)? We bought the boat used with a mix of sails and we don't have a sailmaker that is familiar with the J-30.
#492 - 03/08/0610:47 AMRe: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
dbows
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Registered: 04/16/03
Posts: 650
Loc: Marblehead, MA
Quote:
Originally posted by Tom Olsen: Can anyone tell me how to properly rig the mast for racing (rig tension, rake, etc.)? We bought the boat used with a mix of sails and we don't have a sailmaker that is familiar with the J-30.
#493 - 03/08/0611:43 AMRe: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Steve Buzbee
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Registered: 04/12/04
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Loc: Highland Park, NJ
Pay attention to all components of the tuning guide. I sailed with my mast butt 3/4" too far aft for a couple of years, and I could never get the rig to set up right (way too much prebend).
Mast butt max forward, headstay class max, THEN start setting tension according to the guides.
I have North sails, and generally err on the light side of tuning ranges. We go pretty floppy in light stuff-seems to be fast.
#495 - 03/09/0611:37 AMRe: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Bob Rutsch
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Registered: 04/03/00
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Loc: Maryland, USA
In my opinion unless it blows where you are 44-46 is too tight. We only go that high in 20+. Base tune on our boat is 40-42 for 8-10 knots. I always tighten lowers first uppers next and loosen upper first lowers next to minimize excess pre-bend. John White sailed his J/30 with much looser shrouds and a headstay tighter than max. Tune varies by mainsail shape which depends on make and age.
#496 - 08/14/0601:45 PMRe: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Blue J 503
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Registered: 06/27/05
Posts: 46
Loc: Cleveland Hts., OH, USA
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Originally posted by S. Buzbee:
Mast butt max forward, headstay class max, THEN start setting tension according to the guides.
I'm confused about "headstay class max". When I installed roller furling with a new headstay, I carefully measured and pre-set the headstay to the max. spec. This resulted in a lot of mast bend, a very loose backstay, and a lot of headstay sag in a breeze. I've now shortened the headstay an inch or so and still have lots of mast bend. How much tension is assumed when doing the class measurement for headstay length?
A follow-up question about Loos gauges. CAN-106 came to me with two: Model "PT-2" and "Model B". When the tuning guides refer to "the new style Loos gauge"....which is it?
#498 - 05/05/0712:33 AMRe: Mast Set Up/Rig Tension
Rhapsody #348
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Registered: 05/21/07
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Loc: Portsmouth, RI
You can convert Loos Gauge measurements from the various types using the chart on the Loos web site. See this link, then scroll down near the bottom: http://www.loosnaples.com/howto/ptgauges.htm
According to the Banks guide, the uppers are 44-45 and the lowers are 45-46. I'm prepared for a "ton" of pressure but did you really mean 2000lbs?
On the Loos model "PT-2", the gauge maxes-out at 40 (2000lbs) and the model "B" maxes-out at 43 (1800lbs) for 1/4" shrouds.
The Loos guide suggests that the breaking strength of 1/4" stainless is 8200 lbs and that a starting tension for the forestay on a fractional rig is 15% of breaking strength or 1230lbs. The starting tension of the shrouds on a fractional rig with swept-back spreaders is 20% or 1640lbs.
Can someone comment on shroud tension in lbs instead of loose Loos #'s?