I created this thread from postings in the Chart Table thread so people don't need to read through off-topic postings to see what they want to read. Relevant postings from the other thread have been deleted there and pasted here.

Originally posted by Mark Wolf posted 04-30-2007 09:54 AM:
I do not have a stove--it was gone when I purchased the boat. I know the previous owners where racing in OD. What should I do with this issue? #507

Originally posted by whk posted 04-30-2007 11:26 AM:
Mark,

Rhapsody has one of those propane cartridge stoves that you see on tables at brunches where the guys make omlets on the fly. It's bolted on the bottom of the wooden cutting board (flip to cook) and is easy to carry a couple of cartridges when cruising. Not sure what the brand is, but you could probably look at small camp stoves too.

Bill

Originally posted by LChristy posted 04-30-2007 12:36 PM:
A stove is not an option under 5.3 Interior Equipment. This means the original stove or a two burner stove of similar design and weight. A one burner butane stove bolted to the cutting board does NOT meet this requirement.

Larry Christy
J30 Class Measurer

Originally posted by LChristy posted 04-30-2007 12:38 PM:
If there is an issue with the type and design of the stove I will provide model numbers of stoves that meet this requirement.

Larry

Originally posted by whk posted 04-30-2007 12:56 PM:
Larry,

I assume the intention is the size & weight of the stove. I would be interested in the part numbers, and the size / weight of the original stove. The propane stove on Rhapsody was installed by the previous owner and was onboard during '97, '00 and '04 North Americans. Assuming it is comparable in size and weight, what would need to be done to get this fully functional device accepted as meeting class rule intentions? Maybe I can have someone fry you up an omlet during a race :-)

Thanks,
Bill
Rhapsody #348

Originally posted by Steve Buzbee posted 05-01-2007 11:31 AM:
I would also be curious about stove options. Mine is gone after rusting and falling apart (I too purchased a butane stove thinking it met the rule requirements)-but I'd prefer not to have to buy an expensive marine stove if I don't have to. It seems to me the rule should simply reference a minimum weight, a fixed position in the boat and functionality. After all, all the older boats have (very light) alcohol stoves, while most of the new models carry a full propane stove/oven combo.



Originally posted by Mark Wolf posted 05-01-2007 12:25 PM:
Larry, when you get the chance let us know what the appropriate stove/weight is...I suspect that there are a lot of boats out there without the stove or a propane substitute. If it is a matter of weight could we not offset the stove with an actual weight in that area during OD racing?

[This message has been edited by whk (edited 05-02-2007).]

Several years ago the J30 Class made a ruling on the stove issue. Since there are 2 different stoves that are standard on the 2 different model J30's, it was decided that the 2 burner stove on the older model J30 is the required stove. If you have a newer model boat with the stove/oven combination, you can remove that stove and replace it with a 2 burner stove similar to the one in the older model boat. I will provide the specifications and/or model number of a suiable replacement stove by the end of the week.

Larry Christy
J30 Class Measurer

I have not forgotten this issue, just tied up with work and having trouble finding a stove. More soon.

Larry

Actually the stove/oven in the later boats had a starboard gas vented locker in the cockpit for a 1.5 gallon "gas bottle" which apparently is no longer made or refillable. This included extra wiring and switch for a solenoid valve, and a pipe to the stove. If anyone has figured out how to keep this stove working I would like to know. I think the whole mess is probably over 100 lbs.

When you think about it ... the difference between a 5 lb single burner and a 7 lb double burner probably doesn't really mean much. I still have the stoveoven, but haven't used it in the last 10 years. I'm wondering if I should just trash it and use the spaces for somethingelse?

Vic #505

Got the tank upgraded thanks to you guys ... now to the lasagna, a little red wine, hot bread ...
See what you little stove guys miss ... just to do a couple of seconds faster?
Vic #505

The only stove I can find that will fit the J30 is an Origo 4100. It is a non-pressurized alcohol two burner stove available from most marine suppliers like Boat US or direct from Origo. It should fit in the space on the old boats or require minor alteration. No sure about the new boats with the oven. It weighs about 18 lbs.

Thanks for the update on the stove replacement. I do have the new style boat, #507. I looked at the 4100 Origo and it looks like it will some doing to get this to work.

I am hoping to have the boat, and myself, ready to begin one design racing next year. However, it is very expensive to make so many minor variations to meet some of the rules. Any comments would be appreciated as the upkeep/costs of the J30 grow as our boats age. 18 lbs seems a little overboard considering the disparate weight of water, fuel and not to mention the crew.

Reading this thread, I think it is appropriate to consider a rule change or interpretation. Specifically rule 5.3 states:

5.3 Interior Equipment supplied with the standard boat from the factory may not be deleted or substituted for except by equivalent items of comparable weight (e.g. the stove). Optional equipment offered by the builder or comparable equipment installed by the dealer or owner is permitted as are other items such as shelves or drawers to personalize the interior.

I know many people who have replaced the original stove with something else, and it is not the Origo 4100 listed in this thread.

The proposed interpretation is:
"A replacement single or double burner stove is allowed that fits where the original stove is located. Adjustments to mounting may be made to accommodate dimension variations, as long as the original intended location is maintained. The replacement stove may use alcohol or gas (butane, propane, etc.). The stove and associated cover / cutting board with fuel should weigh a minimum 15 pounds."

J/30 owners please comment on this and lets get consensus on wording that can be approved as a formal rule change, or interpretation of the rules. Let's create wording that easily keeps boats one design legal, affordable, and covers the one design intent.

Bill Kneller

I only put in the non-working stove on one-design races.
It's at least 30 pounds. When I want to heat something up I bring along a carry-on stove of two pounds. I have a newer model boat and I probably carry a lot more weight than the older models.
I really don't understand why the rules can't be eased a little with regards to the stove. I bought a solenoid for $150 only to see it rust away in two years.
Let's get rid of the stove for the racers ( who is using that thing anyway) and try to be a bit lenient to racers who also do phrf.
I think if the rules are a bit eased more boats are willing to do one-design.

Good point on the new model boats being heavier, not to mention how much harder it is to access the Yanmar. Any thoughts on the weight of new model over old? I would love to get into one design but I keep running into more things to buy (dacron or pentex main versus Q kevlar I have). I know the design rules (dacron/pentex price versus kevlar on main) is meant to keep prices down but are we missing the boat with such strict interpretations on so many other issues? Another issue is the rudder. Did we ever get an approved replacement? Mine is split and I had it fixed, or so I thought.