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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: Rhapsody #348]
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02/12/09 09:28 AM
02/12/09 09:28 AM
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cstoddard
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With regard to the cushions The reason for making them optional is not to lighten the boat but to preserve them from water etc. If you are doing a day race ie the N/A's on a hard rain day they will get wet etc. a new set of cushions for the boat is about 3 grand I would rather spend it on sails rather than on cushions so anything I can do to increase their life is good.
The head board issue is one that was brought up by a sailmaker in that the current wording is not clear The proposed change is to clarify it so that measurement issues do not come up at the N/A's The only effect it may have is if you order a new sail w/ a bolt rope and then add slugs later you will fall out of the measurement spec unless that is addressed when the sail is cut.
Charlie
Charlie Stoddard Falcon #229
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: Bill Saltonstall]
#6938
02/19/09 11:09 AM
02/19/09 11:09 AM
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Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 103 Stratford, CT USA
John McArthur
Past President, Past LIS District Governor
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Past President, Past LIS District Governor
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Stratford, CT USA
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Rule 5.12.6.1 I strongly disagree with the proposal to reduce the weight of the sail cloth for the class spinnaker. Changing from 40 to 30 gram cloth will require evey One Design J30 owner to purchase a new spinnaker to stay competitive. Basically making our 40 gram shoots obsolete! 1. The cost of 30 gram cloth is slightly more expensive that the 40 gram. 2. The 30 gram cloth is hard to work with and will increase the cost. 3. I believe the 30 gram cloth would still work in 20 knot of air but continued use would surely shorten it's life. John McArthur
Last edited by John McArthur; 02/19/09 11:17 AM.
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: Trevor Roach]
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02/23/09 10:11 AM
02/23/09 10:11 AM
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Posts: 493 Chicago, Il. USA
D. Bartley
Governor at Large
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Chicago, Il. USA
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My .02 on 5.12.6.1: any change that effects the cost of racing a J/30 should be done at the time of the nationals. You can plan what sails you'll purchase for the next season and (hopefully) get a reasonable fall discount.
Dennis Bartley Planxty, s/n 23994 hull 205
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: D. Bartley]
#6951
02/23/09 01:42 PM
02/23/09 01:42 PM
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Posts: 649 Marblehead, MA
dbows
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As for Rule 5.12.6.1 I think if it will help you with PHRF then you can just by a 30gram chute and take the penalty - but to introduce this into the OD class is not needed. The PHRF classes will notice and will adjust or rating anyway so there will be no benefit from it being part of the OD rules. Or am I missing something?
David Bows Mallorca - Hull# 397 ~~~~~_/)~_/)~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: dbows]
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02/23/09 05:06 PM
02/23/09 05:06 PM
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Posts: 457 Highland Park, NJ
Steve Buzbee
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In my experience, PHRF hasn't readjusted when our class has made minor tweaks in allowed equipment recently (i.e. carbon pole, aramid headsails..). Have others seen a rating adjustment for the loosened restriction on sailcloth and pole material?
I don't see the point in allowing the 1/2 oz but not allowing both to be used at OD events. We don't require that everyone race with the same headsail during a given race-if we have a choice of chutes as part of a tactical decision, why restrict? Additionally, this would seem to be a burdensome restriction if the half were selected and winds kicked way up during a race-just as we can change the headsail down to a 3, I would think it wise to have the choice/option to change the chute up to the 3/4.
I will say that I carried a half oz racing phrf some years ago (before I figured out that the boat had to be in full one design config for the rating we had)-it made a significant performance difference in light conditions, making light air races both more competitive and more fun to sail (fewer moments of "droopy chute" syndrome, deeper angles and faster downwind legs). Light air racing (such as we often have in NJ, LIS and Annapolis) would be more enjoyable with the extra sail selection.
I would only favor this rule change if the restriction on sail selection was removed.
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: Steve Buzbee]
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02/23/09 10:00 PM
02/23/09 10:00 PM
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Posts: 649 Marblehead, MA
dbows
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We don't require that everyone race with the same headsail during a given race-if we have a choice of chutes as part of a tactical decision, why restrict? This is true - we allow the choice for up wind sails.
David Bows Mallorca - Hull# 397 ~~~~~_/)~_/)~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~
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Re: Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009
[Re: dbows]
#6957
02/23/09 10:43 PM
02/23/09 10:43 PM
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Joined: May 2007
Posts: 2,668 Portsmouth, RI
Rhapsody #348
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Past J/30 Class President
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Past J/30 Class President
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We don't require that everyone race with the same headsail during a given race-if we have a choice of chutes as part of a tactical decision, why restrict? This is true - we allow the choice for up wind sails. The difference is that the J/30 always had the range of head sails to choose from but just a signal spinnaker. I believe that the major concern is that by allowing a choice of spinnakers, we would effectively raise the cost of ownership for increased sail inventory. One way to preclude that would be make it so only a single spinnaker type is allowed during a regatta series. The downside being, a light air spinnaker may not make it in heavy air. On a related note, I sent an email to PHRF-NB asking if there would be a rating adjustment if a J/30 were to use a 0.5 oz spinnaker instead of the 0.75 oz spinnaker. I'll post their reply here when I get it.
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