#7018 - 03/02/0906:31 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: LChristy]
dbows
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Defective? No just getting close to replacement time and was thinking the bladder would be a simpler install and probably a simpler thing to replace in the future.
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#7085 - 03/10/0904:11 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: LChristy]
Steve Buzbee
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I would guess there might be a pretty significant weight difference-those plastic tanks are pretty heavy (nothing like excess weight in the pointy end!)
#7087 - 03/10/0904:54 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: Steve Buzbee]
Rhapsody #348
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Actually, the empty polyethylene tanks are very light when empty (~15 pounds for 15 Gal tank). A bladder tank of similar capacity is about 6 pounds. Just look at the shipping weights in a Marine catalog for the ballpark comparison. The weight is in the stuff that fills it up! That's comparable to water or ~ 8.4 pounds per gallon.
I don't thing this is a weight issue from a class rules standpoint, but Larry will have to weigh in (pun intended...)
For my money, I want my stuff in a rigid walled polyethylene tank, not some bladder.
#7088 - 03/10/0905:04 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: Rhapsody #348]
Steve Buzbee
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Ahhh, but the weight differential increases as the tanks get bigger. A 25 gal polyethylene tank weighs in at 44 pounds (at least according to a Defender Industries listing) while a 25 gal bladder type is still about 6 pounds. I have no idea how big those holding tanks are, but I'm pretty sure they are more than 15 gallons. 36 extra pounds carried well forward is some very serious weight-recall the debate over the stove which is carried much closer to midship and weighs in at only ~12 pounds.
If replacement was permitted, I know I would consider swapping out for the lighter tank setup-I race a bunch of J-29's in PHRF, and weight in the ends is deadly.
#7089 - 03/10/0905:24 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: Steve Buzbee]
Rhapsody #348
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Steve - the holding tank is about 14 gallons - you can measure the dimensions and calculate the volume. Think of your 25 gallon analogy above. Cut a 55 gallon drum in half (take the smaller half) and that would be about the size of a tank you describe. No way that sucker fits in the v-berth!
We're talking about a 10 pound differential here on dry weight between a bladder tank and a poly tank. If you store a gallon of fresh water (or beer) that's pretty close to the weight differential. You'll get more mileage out of keeping the tank pumped dry.
#7090 - 03/10/0905:41 PMRe: Bladder Type Holding Tank
[Re: Rhapsody #348]
Steve Buzbee
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No way you'll get me to store a couple of gallons of water forward of the head area! And I don't think I agree with your estimate of the size of the tank-I figure the tank is (at the top) about 3' wide aft, 1' wide forward, and about 3' long. That would be a top surface area of a little over 5 square feet. So conservatively, figure 5 cubic feet of volume (the tank is deeper than one foot, but tapers quite a bit). A gallon of water occupies .1337 cu. ft, so I would estimate 5/.1337=37 gallons.
I can't believe I just wasted so much time on...waste.