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Re: One More Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009 with Straw Poll
[Re: J/30470]
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03/16/09 01:51 PM
03/16/09 01:51 PM
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Rhapsody #348
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Tom - here is the link to the 2008 Class rules from the J/30 web site: http://www.j30.org/html/rules.htmlScroll down all the way to the bottom. That J/30 scaled logo is what has always been in the rules. It was there from day one when J/Boats first assembled the rules. What happened is that the original rules in booklet form had some of the images on adjacent pages, and this was one of them. Over time when the pagination was redone, this image got moved. Nothing really changes other than to restore what the figure was with the original rules. Now - if you bought a J/30 one design sail from a sail maker, they probably already had the J/30 logo template and used it. I doubt that any sail makers took the time to come up with their own funky J/30 logo. So, you'll just need to verify that your logo looks like what is in the specs.
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Re: One More Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009 with Straw Poll
[Re: Bob Rutsch]
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03/18/09 07:01 PM
03/18/09 07:01 PM
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Bob Rutsch
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Paragraph 5.12.2.4 (headboard) I think it unnecessary to include in class rules what is covered in ISAF's Equipment Rules of Sailing, as it opens the door for technical protests. ISAF doesn't use the term headboard, but G.1.4(n) 'corner board'. This change is better left to a technical ruling or advice to measurers.
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Re: One More Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009 with Straw Poll
[Re: Bob Rutsch]
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03/18/09 08:16 PM
03/18/09 08:16 PM
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Rhapsody #348
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Paragraph 5.12.2.4 (headboard) I think it unnecessary to include in class rules what is covered in ISAF's Equipment Rules of Sailing, as it opens the door for technical protests. ISAF doesn't use the term headboard, but G.1.4(n) 'corner board'. This change is better left to a technical ruling or advice to measurers. Bob - I think you read the earlier version of the proposed change at the beginning of this thread. The revised wording is an interpretation and keeps the current rule unchanged. Here is what the proposed wording (changes are the bold / italic text added): Paragraph 5.12.2.4 rules - proposed 5.12.2.4 The width of the headboard measured at right angles to the mast shall not exceed 158 mm. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ It is intended that the dimension at the head of the sail measured perpendicular to the mast be generally controlled by the maximum specified size of the headboard insert. This measurement excludes variability due to any extension provided by luff tape, track slugs or minor additions of sail cloth around the perimeter of the headboard for finishing._______________________________________________ _______________________________________________
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Re: One More Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009 with Straw Poll
[Re: Bob Rutsch]
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03/19/09 09:04 AM
03/19/09 09:04 AM
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dbows
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Paragraph 5.12.2.6 (reef points)
On to personal beliefs. What happens when you are sailing an overnight distance race and storms bring winds over 30? Time to reef. Same goes for cruising or racing short handed and you want to keep the boat on its feet. I've seen plenty of bogus reef points on sails I've measured, but that doesn't make me think we should get rid of them. If they are optional, those in breezy locations and those who actually use their boats as racer-cruisers will be at a disadvantage to light air round the buoy daysailers. I tend to agree with Bob and also I think this type of rule change really starts to reduce the J/30 down to a one dimensional OD windward / leeward race boat - which from what I understand was NOT the design goal of the J/30. It is a race/cruiser and if you cruise you must have reef points. David
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Re: One More Draft Potential Rule Changes for 2009 with Straw Poll
[Re: Rhapsody #348]
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03/19/09 01:35 PM
03/19/09 01:35 PM
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Bob Rutsch
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..revised wording is an interpretation and keeps the current rule unchanged. I saw that, but if anything the interpretation makes it more complicated, then just referring to ISAF.
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