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Jib Furler
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11/18/09 10:37 AM
11/18/09 10:37 AM
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 88 Belmont, MA
Georges
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I am considering installing a Jib Furler: I mostly cruise with my wife and beer-can/OD racing came third in my wish plan after offshore racing... Any feedback on: - How practical is the removal of the drum on Harken MkIV or alike?
- Can the class #1 and #3 used when the drum is removed?
- Do you need to replace or modify your headstay?
- Do you start about what you lost each time you head up?
Last, I love the North Sails that came with my boat, but Newport is farther than Marblehead/Salem from Boston. Any advice in term of Sail Lofts up there? Cheers,
-- Georges Foot Loose #467 - CPYC - Winthrop
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: Georges]
#8373
11/18/09 07:33 PM
11/18/09 07:33 PM
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Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 91 Salem, MA USA
Luke Buxton
Past Northern New England District Governor
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Past Northern New England District Governor
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Salem, MA USA
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Ask David Bows about sailing with a furler, both his 1 and 3 fit and I don't think the furler slows him down. As for a North Loft, there is one in Salem Mass at Dions yacht Yard, Great service and the sales team is excellent about getting the best bang for your buck. I can't remember the number off hand, but i'm sure you can get it. Luke Buxton Evelyn #179
Luke Buxton Evelyn Hull #179
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: Cap'n Vic]
#8378
11/19/09 10:47 AM
11/19/09 10:47 AM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 83 Waukegan, IL
jhoskins
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Luke
I have a 155% Taffetta 3DL on Madcap as well. It is reefable and is surprisly fast reefed. I spec. a rounded (J105 type of foot). I dont have a UV cover on mine, I just take it off or run a sock up the spinn haylard. I have the Harken MKIV with a new head stay in it.
I have raced 3 years with it and never removed the drum. I think it is a great set-up for PHRF racing.
John Madcap 358
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: dbows]
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11/19/09 08:42 PM
11/19/09 08:42 PM
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Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 88 Belmont, MA
Georges
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Thanks to all of you - this is tremendously useful.
David, one last question regarding the #2, since I have no idea of its size. Can you use it with the jib track? My plan was to use the biggest headsail size that still fits the jib track. I am not thrilled by extending the genoa track and I found that the #3 is the right sail for my wife and me. If it is light I will just use my #1 - directly - as you suggested.
The sailing gap I am trying to cover comfortably is between 2 reefs main alone, no jib, and 2 reefs with the jib. In those conditions, I found that 1 reef in the main, main alone is the right power but with so much weather helm and drag that it is both tiring and slow.
Since I want to race single and double offshore, I also would like it to cover between #3 and storm jib.
Cheers,
-- Georges Foot Loose #467 - CPYC - Winthrop
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: Georges]
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11/20/09 09:38 AM
11/20/09 09:38 AM
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Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 649 Marblehead, MA
dbows
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Thanks to all of you - this is tremendously useful.
David, one last question regarding the #2, since I have no idea of its size. Can you use it with the jib track? My plan was to use the biggest headsail size that still fits the jib track. I am not thrilled by extending the genoa track and I found that the #3 is the right sail for my wife and me. If it is light I will just use my #1 - directly - as you suggested.
The sailing gap I am trying to cover comfortably is between 2 reefs main alone, no jib, and 2 reefs with the jib. In those conditions, I found that 1 reef in the main, main alone is the right power but with so much weather helm and drag that it is both tiring and slow.
Since I want to race single and double offshore, I also would like it to cover between #3 and storm jib.
Cheers, The # 2 will not go to the jib tracks, it is a 135%. However you can have a full hoist #3 made which will give you a good bump in size but still fit the jib tracks (class legal is not a full hoist #3). I have found that if you get the right sail balance the boat is very easy to sail with little helm. My wife has had little trouble sailing it in 20+ when I get the right sails up. We are however pretty whipped if we have to sail more than a few hours because it still takes a lot of main trim and traveler work to keep the boat on its feet in big puffs. Also I have found that newer sails that have good shape and a well tuned rig make the boat much easier to sail without a lot of helm (unless you are on a tight reach then forget it). When we go to Buzzards Bay, Nantucket and MV we will sail with a #3 on the furler, if we go to Maine we leave the #2 on. Around Boston we stick with the #2.
David Bows Mallorca - Hull# 397 ~~~~~_/)~_/)~~~~_/)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: dbows]
#8397
11/20/09 10:11 AM
11/20/09 10:11 AM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 83 Waukegan, IL
jhoskins
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Vic- Is your 3DL 155 a Marathon? That delam does not sound good on a newer sail. I have reefed mine in 30+ several times last season on distance races seems ok. I think I will take a closer look at it.
John Madcap 358
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Re: Jib Furler
[Re: jhoskins]
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11/20/09 07:45 PM
11/20/09 07:45 PM
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Joined: May 2007
Posts: 1,234 Newport and Naples
Cap'n Vic
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3DL Marathon (Taffetta) Medium #1 with uv cover -- 11 months old -- Nov. 09 [List price $3K+] This is the Taffetta version touted as the very best fabric for roller furling. at 155% I thought Medium would have done the trick ... Realize that this is 8 months of sailing on this sail. In defense of North: 1. our season down here is 7 months long. 2. Vee Jay is out average of 2 times a week + regattas Other considerations: 1. Vee Jay only goes out over 20 for regattas. 2. We roller furl every time we launch spin 3. We spin 95% of the times we go out in practices. What do you guys think?
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