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I did not take a hit from PHRF-LIS or PHRF-KWRW for composite sails. Neither penalizes for sail material. I have several other PHRF optimizations that were not penalized - I do not think I would perform one that would be penalized.

Seth, I have not raced with this Pentex main, so I can't speak to how competitive it is or isn't.

The folks who make all my sails are Z Sails in Stamford CT. Great loft, nice people, and they test, design and build all their sails at the loft. They have made a number of sails for some of the best J/30 racers and cruisers on LIS.

They know J/Boats well and have campaigned a J/24 with some great regional and national results. The web site is www.zsails.com

Thanks for all the info - yes, the guys at Z are very nice to work with - I just got a new "Z" #3 (my first sail from them). For what it's worth, PHRF-MA rates OD at 138, PHRF at 141, and "does not penalize for material". But, if I change sail material, I default up to 141 and take 9 spm hit (by PHRF bylaws) for OD pole and #1 to 132. Effectively 6 spm hit for a "no penalty" change.

I had a north 3dl on a catalina built in 1996,Used really only 3 series of wed night racing. I disintigrated in 2000 on the one time I used it and looked like a fish net. Here in the midwest summers can be hot and I wonder if the adhesive is drying out causing the failure. The manufacturers say they have improved this problem but how can I know for sure? My J-30 has composite sails that I use a few times a year and the rest of the time they are stored in the cool basement. I purchased dacron used sails to sail on the weekends and they are probably over twenty years old.

General question(s)...How many boats out there race both PHRF and One Design events? Of those, how many carry some aramid (kevlar etc.) inventory for PHRF racing? Of those who do carry an "extended" inventory, how many receive a rating hit for extending beyond One Design sail limitations (as per SHunter above)? Any and all input welcome.

Some additional points: (1) sail material change is a proxy; the rating hit also applies to any deviation from OD rules. (2) -9 spm came by email from PHRF-MA; when I read their bylaws, I come up with -6 (I think our OD #1 is >170). (3) PHRF-MA maintains the PHRF base rating should be 141 even though they've issued no certificates. The purpose of the heavy hits, they say, is to discourage OD owners from deviating from their respective class rules. Their advice... "you don't want to go there."

Sorry, typo... I think PHRF-MA thinks a J/30 #1 is >170 and therefore miscalculated the penalty.

Adding to Steve's question, how many have verified with their PHRF district that they're sailing with the correct rating using non-OD sails? I suspect if more do, there will be more interest in the class to relax the rules on sail weight and material, like other J classes. To answer Steve's survey (although he already knows), I sail about 25-30 races/year PHRF, 0 OD.

Here on Lake Michigan, a PHRF J/30 is rated 144 (155 & J length pole), where a class J/30 is rated 138.

I race mostly PHRF, but 1-3 OD regattas/yr. I choose to keep my sails one design compliant. As far as I can tell against the PHRF J/30s I've raced against, we more than make up the time we owe them.

Dennis,

YOu're just good.