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Rhapsody #348
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posted 08-21-2008 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rhapsody #348   Click Here to Email Rhapsody #348     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
John McArthur the J/30 class co-president sent an email to the BOG about the upcoming Board of Governor Meeting to be held sometime soon. This will potentially be held coincidentally with the North American Championship. I'm posting some of the topics that were included in the email for the class to review and comment on. These will be numbered and titled, so if you reply, just refer the the specific area you desire to comment on.

Here is the info from John's email:

1. Main Sail Material: There has been a lot of conversation on the J30 Class Web Sites "Forum" remove the cloth restriction on main sails and allowing high tech mains. (Kevlar/Carbon). I have talked with a few different sail makers and will have quotes in the next few weeks. Z Sails (my sail maker) will quote a paneled carbon sail and North (Milford) will quote a 3DL and/or paneled main. I have been told that the high tech main will be about 50% more expensive the the current Dacron Mains, but the life should be 50% longer. Please check with your local sail makers for additional price quotes and their opinion. See this thread for additional discussion - http://j30.us/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000840.html

2. Rudder Additional Source: We recently approved IdaSailor as a rudder builder/supplier for the class spec rudders. The class has received a letter (I forwarded it to all governors today) from Competition Composites Inc, asking to be considered a a rudder supplier as well. I'll contact CCI for more info share it with the governors as soon as is available.

3. Alternate Backstay Materials: I have also been asked about allowing high tech back stay (Kevlar or spectra) and cascaded back stay adjusters.

4. ISAF Advertising Class: See the discussion that David Erwin introduced that would allow advertising on equipment (Changes J/30 Class from from ISAF Class A to ISAF Class C) in this thread - http://j30.us/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000190.html

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Phil
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posted 09-15-2008 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Click Here to Email Phil     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Is it to late to discuss any other rule changes ?

I for one would like to see about removing the sliding chart table from above the ice chest. It is, in my humble opinion, the single worst design feature of the boat, and provides absolutely no tangible benefit.

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Rhapsody #348
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posted 09-15-2008 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rhapsody #348   Click Here to Email Rhapsody #348     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Phil:

I for one would like to see about removing the sliding chart table from above the ice chest. It is, in my humble opinion, the single worst design feature of the boat, and provides absolutely no tangible benefit.

I'm not in favor of changing the sliding chart table. A little cleaning of the track and lubrication makes it work fine. It is functional and works as designed.

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LChristy
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posted 09-15-2008 08:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LChristy   Click Here to Email LChristy     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
The exact wording of any changes in the J30 Class rules must be published 30 days prior to a vote of the BOG. See rule 1.7.

The BOG meeting at the NA's on September 18 should be a discussion of the rule changes to be propopsed to the owners. Definative language will be developed and published for comment and a vote.

Larry Christy
Class Measurer

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311 Temptation
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posted 09-16-2008 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 311 Temptation     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
David,

After Thursdays conf call, would you please delete the email addresses from this page so that the spam bots dont pick up these email addresses forever? Thanks for all the good work, and I was sure glad to see that your new 2008 ZV2.0 made it thru Gustav. She is an incredible beauty!

Dell

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Phil
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posted 09-16-2008 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Phil   Click Here to Email Phil     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Rhapsody #348:
I'm not in favor of changing the sliding chart table. A little cleaning of the track and lubrication makes it work fine. It is functional and works as designed.

Unfortunately I acquired a boat that was not as well maintained, the track has pulled out twice. When sailing it is extremely cumbersome to get to the ice chest, and every time the slide is pulled back I am at risk of having the track pull out again. Again I can see no functional purpose for the sliding table, mine doesn't even provide good working space since the top looks like a lego block and is unsuitble for working with paper charts to mark courses.

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David Erwin
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posted 09-16-2008 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Erwin   Click Here to Email David Erwin     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Will do.

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David Erwin
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posted 10-06-2008 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for David Erwin   Click Here to Email David Erwin     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I really appreciate those who supported the rule change to allow advertisement on sails. Looks like we lost this one, but spirits remain high after running my new spinnaker through the shreader. LOL :>(

quote:
Originally posted by Rhapsody #348:
John McArthur the J/30 class co-president sent an email to the BOG about the upcoming Board of Governor Meeting to be held sometime soon. This will potentially be held coincidentally with the North American Championship. I'm posting some of the topics that were included in the email for the class to review and comment on. These will be numbered and titled, so if you reply, just refer the the specific area you desire to comment on.

Here is the info from John's email:

[b]1. Main Sail Material: There has been a lot of conversation on the J30 Class Web Sites "Forum" remove the cloth restriction on main sails and allowing high tech mains. (Kevlar/Carbon). I have talked with a few different sail makers and will have quotes in the next few weeks. Z Sails (my sail maker) will quote a paneled carbon sail and North (Milford) will quote a 3DL and/or paneled main. I have been told that the high tech main will be about 50% more expensive the the current Dacron Mains, but the life should be 50% longer. Please check with your local sail makers for additional price quotes and their opinion. See this thread for additional discussion - http://j30.us/ubb/Forum10/HTML/000840.html

2. Rudder Additional Source: We recently approved IdaSailor as a rudder builder/supplier for the class spec rudders. The class has received a letter (I forwarded it to all governors today) from Competition Composites Inc, asking to be considered a a rudder supplier as well. I'll contact CCI for more info share it with the governors as soon as is available.

3. Alternate Backstay Materials: I have also been asked about allowing high tech back stay (Kevlar or spectra) and cascaded back stay adjusters.

4. ISAF Advertising Class: See the discussion that David Erwin introduced that would allow advertising on equipment (Changes J/30 Class from from ISAF Class A to ISAF Class C) in this thread - http://j30.us/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000190.html
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Crusader586
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posted 10-15-2008 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Crusader586   Click Here to Email Crusader586     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree with Phil- Chart table serves No purpose, It's in the way,constantly breaks Ice Chest ring, doesn't slide well and slide doesn't stay attached well. Let's get rid of It !

quote:
Originally posted by Phil:
Unfortunately I acquired a boat that was not as well maintained, the track has pulled out twice. When sailing it is extremely cumbersome to get to the ice chest, and every time the slide is pulled back I am at risk of having the track pull out again. Again I can see no functional purpose for the sliding table, mine doesn't even provide good working space since the top looks like a lego block and is unsuitble for working with paper charts to mark courses.

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alcal1750
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posted 10-16-2008 12:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alcal1750     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Crusader586:
,constantly breaks Ice Chest ring,


I got tired of crew, family and friends leaving the ring up, so I installed a small bit of spring at the ring hinge so it always drops down instead of staying up in the way of the table.

AC s/v Rauzer II #448

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Rhapsody #348
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posted 10-16-2008 06:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rhapsody #348   Click Here to Email Rhapsody #348     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Crusader586:
I agree with Phil- Chart table serves No purpose, It's in the way,constantly breaks Ice Chest ring,..


Easy fix on the ring. Orient it so the ring hinge faces aft and the sliding top will push it down instead of breaking it off. I put a label on the removable cover with an arrow - "This end forward".

The chart table was discussed and voted on at the 18 Sept Board of Governors Meeting. Unanimous to leave it as is. See the minutes in this thread: http://j30.us/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000090.html

[This message has been edited by Rhapsody #348 (edited 10-16-2008).]

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