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Sorry to hear you want to take a step back Scott. You should be taking a step forward. But I too have bitten off more then I could chew at times and know what you me.

My program should be the same as last year except for the Van isle and I will have to take Grady up on the challenge of a Race in the south.

I agree with you that a true class event will have to be beer can racing. But If I can get 5 or more boats out to a race Like Salt spring or Swift sure and Patos I am going to take it. I hate being lumped in with Moore 24s and Olsen 30s.

So yes a full two day regatta at Whitby or Jfest is on the books. Not sure how I will get there as it should be right after the Van Isle but I have to try. There is also RIPS but it is generally lighter air and the center of mass of the boats is too the south.

My call would be Whitby. And then the races like the N100, Swift sure, Salt spring and Patos and that big race in south sound would all be for bragging rights in the fleet.

Sorry Scott but going north even to Vancouver is a bit unrealistic as you only one boat and every one would have to travel very far too you. You are right about the conditions. I love the YouTube video of you guys all shredding your kites. And yes I love to mop the floors with Olsen 30s when the wind pops up. So maybe the bigger winds of Whitby are what we want.

"Turbo'd" Boats? What's this? There is only one boat I know of that is a radical departure from the standard with his big sugar scoop stern and he never leaves the dock. As for my Sprit that will be removable for class racing. Unless you mean these little sport boats that I just want to drill holes in?

I am with you on the Party atmosphere as well. My crew had a great time at RIPS and we probably put the liquor store owner's kids through school this year with all the beer we drank. My Liver is still recovering. And no that does not explain our performance. But the party is a big draw. I would do RIPS again if we had our own fleet.

Hmm if I say I'm turbo'd can I carry all your beer Scott? Honest I will hold it for you. It may be processed and warm when you get it back though:)

So let's hear from the regional Gov on all this. Lay down some events that we want a class at and decide on a decisive event to make the call for top boat. Then if some one wants to be Cock of the walk then they will attend the event and challenge for it.

I'm going for top Distance racing J30! Any one care to take me on.
Tony don't say anything! I know your lurking.

I don't know of all the boats and thier set-ups and I wasn't going radical with the word "turbo'd". I just meant if there were minor changes outside class rules that would make an appreciable difference to performance. Examples might be a different rudder or balanced one, changed keel not following templates, code 6 or 7 mains, or masthead spinnakers. None of this might be out there so it might not be something to worry about. We aren't worried about sail materials, weights, changed stoves, etc.

By the way, I had hoped to be a top distance racing J/30, but I need to ease into it I think. My boat needs a lot of investment in sails, rigging and bottom work and I don't have the cash to do so at the moment. I rarely have a shortage of crew to go to races, but I haven't built the support behind the scenes on the boat prep, deliveries and maintenance yet. That is what burned me and my pocketbook out.

I do still have hopes for a VanIsle 260 and Pacific crossing with the J/30. The boys in the pac-cup this summer showed us how well it could be done.

Swiftsure was exhausting last year, but part of me wants to do it again because it beat me last year. N100 might be easier logistically (only one other cat to herd) and the delivery is close to the same.

I am sure by March I might have the itch again real bad.

Ok I had missed Friction Loss's results for that. Wow that is impressive. Good read too.

http://www.pacificcup.org/2010/final-standings

You could always throw in with another boat down near Vic and help them get out to some big races. Round the county is always up for crew. Tough to find crew that socially bent!

And as for none regular boats. I have no problem racing a J30 against a J30 with some being oversize kites and mains or even a different jib as long as they are rated for it. That is why if we do a fleet race we may need to have a phrf for some of the boats. I for one do not have the 163% as I am normally in good wind at Point Roberts so I run a 153% and a slightly small spin. This works well for me. But in a fleet I would suffer. Not that much though as Tony has all the big stuff and if I can pull in beside him in a 70 mile race and never bee more then 200 Yards away that tells me my sail choices are ok even for light air.
But I think we would have to draw a line at cretin modifications like rudders and Keels and even sprits. You would just not be comparing apples to apples any more. And your suspicion is correct there are some boats running non-legal rudders and Masthead kites and over roched mains and polished bottoms with modified keels. I keep track of my competitors and note the changes. If I thought that they were getting away with something I would notify PHRF NW or BC and challenge there rating. But I am also watching to see if they are onto something. And so far I have not seen a boat that just goes out and kills every one because they have the latest wiz bang thing or modified something. It always seems to be the best crew with the best skipper on a well-prepared boat that makes the right calls and no mistakes that walks away with the silver ware.
So I'm not too worried about the boats here.

Now as for the digging a hole in the water I agree with you in many ways. But we normally see 4-10kn breeze here in the NW during big race season and I am going to see how this works. Who knows I may be the first (first to have it looked at by Rodney Johnstone of J/Boats) to put this sprit to work.

In the famous words of many people who have just had something very bad happen " Watch this!"

Hey Scott have I ever told you how much I hate beer can racing! I would rather do a 48hour race in the rain then do a regatta where I am going around marks 8 wide. But this is class racing and not every one likes the long leg stuff.
But my god this boat has beautiful legs and she really likes to stretch them out!

Re: Boat changes.

I would much rather put aside the differences and race heads up. I am tired of racing corrected. I am likely one of the slow boats with 1981 sails too. I actually doubt the difference between a 153 and 163 would be that much different in round the cans. One lightly slow tack and any advantage and then some is lost.

No doubt you want to race with out ratings. With a rating of 136 and measurements of 6/7/6! it only benefits you. mean while guys with boats like mine that have the undersized stuff get axe murdered.
I think you must have measured your sails wrong.
take them to your sail maker and get that sorted out for 2011!
And new sails will also help.
But Man! 136 compared to my 145 is huge! that's 54sec an hour!

Scott you need to sort that out.

PHRF is not perfect. I would put money on there being little difference if we sailed our boats side by side. 136 was based on the code 6 main that is no longer. My rating will be 139. OD base rating is 138. If I were to only carry my 3/4 oz spin I think I would be 141.

I would be racing in true OD config so it is fair to race heads up OD. Not my fault if you choose to slow down :P

I take that bet. lets put a beer on it Scott. And I Take that bet so you will come out to some races this year.
yes it is an imperfect system but it should be managed like any other part of a successful race program.

Correction: According to my certificate, if my 3/4 oz is class size I will be 6/6/5 and rate 139, 142 with old sail credit. Red Five rates the same.

I am ok with this. For PHRF, I will re-measure my 0.5 oz carefully this year to make sure that it isn't the same size ans should be Code 6 instead of a 7 that it shows now.