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Unless the old Dacron is worse, why not just use that and leave the blown out Mylar at home? A spare mainsail below takes up a lot of space. Forecast, 35 knots, water and air both in the 40 degree F range. Day or night PFD should be on and harness clipped before you go on deck. Everyone should have an easily accessible light and knife with them at all times.
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ditto ... if anyone goes over in the dark in those conditions ... just keep going and call the coast guard for body retrival. their infrared scopes may just be able to find the body if they get there fast enough.
and you don't want to be changing sails in short six footers in the dark!
I would do the start ... sail an hour and bail ... macho enough.
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I hope they are doing allright out there...Sister's Island reports steady 42 knots gusting to 52.....Heard a few rigs are down....boats headed in retired with breakage.....it's a nasty one this year...
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ditto ... if anyone goes over in the dark in those conditions ... just keep going and call the coast guard for body retrival. their infrared scopes may just be able to find the body if they get there fast enough.
and you don't want to be changing sails in short six footers in the dark!
I would do the start ... sail an hour and bail ... macho enough. That's exactly what we did. Took the start with every intention of bailing back up to the club before leaving the bay (not all my crew knew that though, but were happy to hear me say "home time"). Sailed with the old Dacron under double reef and reefed my #3. We still hit 12 knots! (possibly faster but didn't always have the GPS handy). J/30 Radiant Heat had rig problems (brand new rig too!) and one boat sunk. (Incisor). I had fun, but that was because I knew where and when my exit strategy was. Being soaked after 5 minutes I know it would have been a lot less fun knowing I had 12 or more hours to go. http://www.southernstraits.ca/results/Straits2010LastKnownYachtPosition.htm
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Glad to hear that you are ok and now have an opportunity to come back another day to race! Much better than the other alternative.
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Bravo!!! ... let me tell you that crew will want to sail again with a skipper with a brain! ... as well as big blls.
You wouldn't have had much higher levels of adenalin, but been physically beaten to sht.
And though we all seem to have an obsession with our J30s ... they are antiques ... now meant to be loved ... not torn apart.
And Hey... it looks like they abandoned the race ... so that gurantees no one can call you a wusss.
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I have to say that Scott must be more used to heavy air sailing than I. All those big wind days in Squamish have prepared him well for Friday. Glad to see that he exited at the proper moment. Spoke with a J/109 skipper today. He was telling me that he hit 19.7 kts under #2 alone in 50+ kts of wind. Spent the night in Nanaimo at the west end of the course. For those who are interested here is a summary of the carnage from Friday. Wind was about 25 kts at the start. This is in English Bay where there is almost no fetch for an Easterly. Apparently there were quite a few broaches, some gear issues, two dismastings, at least one MOB, and a couple of crew injuries that forced several crews into port. Wind built steadily and was reported as 50-55kts at the west end of the course by about 16h00 or so - around the time it was abandoned and that Incisor sank. Apparently it was a J/30 crew Radiant Heat that was first on scene, put out the mayday and recovered the crew from the water. Remarkable considering there are not so many of us J/30s around these parts. It's almost a miracle that no one was killed. More details here: http://www.threesheetsnw.com/blog/archives/8812and here: http://www.theprovince.com/life/Win...cht+racers+sinks+boat/2760955/story.html
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I have to give huge kudo's to the skipper and crew onboard the J/30 Radiant Heat for their considerable efforts in coming to assist the crew of Incisor after the capsize. These are some comments from one of the crew onboard Radiant Heat. Very sobering reading_. I was on board Radiant Heat, the boat that called in the mayday and pulled two people from the water. It all happened really fast and their boat was well below the water with the crew on the side of the hull, we were standing by until the coast guard got there as the seas and wind were too much for us to recover them from the vessel. But two got washed off the boat from a large wave and we recovered them from the water. It was one of the hardest things I've had to do at sea, trying to pull them on board in those conditions. Unbelievable!!!
We had lost our ladder over board with some other life rings and man over board gear. But we had another one with the line attached to the boat. We winched them close as we could then took them on the leuward side of the boat and hung onto them for dear life. Shear man power pulled them aboard, not ideal but we did what we could. Waves were putting them underwater on the side of the boat and we hung on, pulling with everything we had, really scary moments. The guys had nothing left to help they were hypothermic and dead tired. It was a miracle we saw the boat and the captain floating away from the boat. I'll never forget his face looking up over the rail
We really needed a halyard to winch them a board but everything was happening quickly and we couldn't let go. If we needed to get others aboard we would have got a better system going. But we were dealing with watching waves, our sails and a over heating motor, difficultly steering and most importantly the guys in the water and the other boat. I'll be practicing née systems on my boat now that I've experienced this. Truely incredable, the captain and crew really pulled together in the time need
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25kts at the start? That is a gross underestimation. It was easily over 40 when we took the start.
I checked the GPS. 12.7 knot maximum under double reef.
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Background:
Incisor rated at ~115
J29 rated at ~119
J30 rated at ~140
would be fast end of the Spin B fleet here in FL.
My guess it was lighter weight than a J30. perhaps 20%?
The rescue was daylight hours ... no way could this have been successful after dark and that was the difference in recovering the crew alive. Several news reports mentioned mast problems on the Radiant Heat ... as well.
they never seem to acknowledge GUST strength. and often seem to average wind speeds which is extremely misleading when we are out there and have rooster tails off our stantion bases. Last year we had a race down here at 25 ... with gusts to 38... duh ... no spins that race.
----- added note from another blog I follow from NW Washington near Georgia Strait re weekend:
"We were hammered repeatedly with gusts and I watched the wind speed range from 8-33 over a 4 second period. Nasty stuff to sail in. There were several that were just really big and I got out in time to see "55 knots" and sat amazed as it touched down at the mooring we had been tied to earlier. It just looked like the explosion of mist from a snow making machine (times 5). "
Last edited by Cap'n Vic; 04/04/10 09:53 PM. Reason: note from NW Washington
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