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Can someone help me verify the PHRF rating information on J30.org? I am working to move all pages to current, latest and most accurate status.
http://www.j30.org/html/technical/phrf.html

Chicago MORF rating for J/30 OD is now 135

PHRF MA rates the One Design 30 at 138. For comparison, S-2 9.1 rates 132.

YRA of Long Island Sound gives the J-30 a base rating of 141 then takes 3 seconds each for the spinn pole and oversize genoa to get a rating of 135. This includes a 1260 lb weight limit, no sail cloth limitations or other OD specific regulations.
Yralis.org also lists a J-30 ODR with a 1400 lb weight limit, which probably requires all class gear and sail restrictions, but I am not positive about that.

PHRF-MA follows YRA-LI as Ed described with a "PHRF" rating of 141 (for 155 & J+0 pole) then deducts -3 spm for J+1 and -3 spm for 163. As Steve wrote, PHRF-MA ALSO can issue a cert for "OD" rating of 138 (obviously for 100% OD compliant boats). As of last year, PHRF-MA reported no boats with the PHRF (141 or 135) rating. An "otherwise OD" J/30 with non-class sails (non-dacron main or .5 oz chute) would sail under the PHRF cert of 135.

The braintrust of NC-PHRF takes the J30 base of 144 and deducts a total of 12 secs/mi for OD configuration of 163% genoa, 1.1 pole, and 1.1 spin girth. So our OD PHRF rating in NC is 132.

Ed
On long island sound, would a J30 rate 141 PHRF if you race with class pole and class genoa instead of the oversized?

Or, do all J30's racing PHRF have to take the 6 second penalty and rate 135 regardless of equipment carried?

I race "J30 Class legal" all of the time even in PHRF races.

PLB

Paul, if I understand your question the issue is between the J/30 _PHRF Base Rating_ and the J/30 _One-Design Rating_. As I understand PHRF, in most places the basis for a rating is a genoa no larger than 155% LP and a spinnaker/pole no longer than the "J" dimension. Whenever a boat is raced in any other configuration, the rating is adjusted. Some PHRF regions have begun rating one-design boats in the one-design configuration -- What a concept!! Of course for the J/30, that means a 163% genoa and a "J + 1 ft" pole with matching spinnaker. It sounds like your area gives you the one-design (i.e. class legal) option.

Dyk, I'm not a PHRF expert by any means, but your post is the first time I heard of PHRF assessing a 3 second penalty for the pole and another 3 seconds for the matching spinnaker. I thought most places just assessed 3 for the genoa and another 3 for the pole/spinnaker combination.

Paul,

The 141 rating by YRALIS would be with a 153% genoa and a spin pole length = J. The OD class is a 163 and J+1, so a OD boat would have to rate 135. The difference between the two setups (I think) is the crew weight limit (1400 or 1260) and if you have to sail with OD sails and gear or not. Someone with a YRALIS J-30 ODR rating certificate would have to answer that.

YRA LIS

The YRA does not rate sail material or cushions etc. There is no such thing as a ODR except that if you sail with OD sails your rating will be 135. (Excalibur, Me; Chinook; Eagle, Paddy Wagon) However none of us sail with OD sails. We all have or should have a .75oz, .5oz spin, kevlar (most of us) 165% and a Kevlar 3, Excalibur and Chinook have Kevlar #2s as well. The base rating is 141 and we get -3 for oversize pole and chute, and -3 for 165 genoa. Until last year the cut offs were 153% and 163%, but the YRA changed it to be in line with other YRAs. We also have a PHRF weight limit of 1260. I will fax you a certificate if you sent a fax number. BTW Great job on the web site. Charlie Hurd